Monday, August 01, 2005

Raffael Palmeiro

Despite what Don's Attic says, at this point, Rafael's not guilty of perjury, as Jose Conseco's claim that Palmeiro took steroids back in the day are not proven. All we know currently is that for some reason, at the twilight of his career, the future Hall of Famer decided to jeopardize everything he had acquired in terms of records, honor, and a place in Cooperstown, by taking steroids.

In March Palmeiro testified in front of a Special House Committee in response to Jose Conseco's book, which had explicitly announced Palmeiro, McGuire, and many others, as users of steroids. Palmeiro, at the hearing, looked up from his written statement, pointed at the committee members and said in dramatic fashion: "I have never used steroids..period".

Palmeiro now maintains that he has never "intentionally used steroids". He has been suspended for 10 days.


At 5:49 PM, Blogger Liberally Conservative said...

Don's Attic posted his comments and still disagrees with the assertion. When you lie under oath it's contempt and perjury.

At 5:49 PM, Blogger Sam said...

Jack - Your conclusion that Raffy is not guilty of perjury is right, but your reasoning isn't, at least to my knowledge. Palmeiro's testimony was that he had not ever used steroids - ever. Not just 10 years ago, as Canseco alleged. If he used steroids the day before he went on Capitol Hill and made that statement, he is guilty. However, because the test results don't confirm when the substance was taken, it's theoretically possible that he took them exclusively after the statement was made. Since that is incredibly unlikely, he probably is guilty of lying under oath. Still, you're correct that there is nothing in the results that proves undoubtedly that he is guilty of a crime.

At 2:40 PM, Blogger wfoley said...

So, if we can conclude that he has taken steroids for at least part of his major league career, does he still deserve to be a member of the exclusive 500/3000 club? And would you vote for him to be in the Hall of Fame? I wouldn't, because I don't think the guy has ever been a franchise player. Oh, I'd guess that a few of his 3000-odd hits would qualify as "important." But I can't recall any.

At 4:33 PM, Blogger Jack said...

Palmeiro undoubtedly deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, as he has all of the qualifications. It's absurd the journalists get to decide who's a "franchise player" when all they know about the team structure comes from phony interviews where players give vapid answers to their equally meaningless questions.

At 10:21 PM, Blogger Sam said...

In my mind is he a Hall of Famer without a doubt if he didn't use steroids. But the point is that he did. There will be considerable opposition to his candidacy, as there should be, because he has never led a team to a title and has never led the league in any major offensive categories or won an MVP or anything. Jack, a franchise player isn't a clubhouse leader. That's not what the title of 'franchise player' is granted for. It's production and leading a team on the field to some sort of tangible success.

The point is that Palmeiro did use steroids and that he's a fool for doing so. In my book, so long as this isn't some test glitch - which I doubt it is - this guy is not a Hall of Famer.

At 12:57 AM, Blogger Jack said...

3000 hits and 500 home runs is production. He helped many teams win many games. That is more than the vast majority of players can say and that is what makes him a hall of famer and them not.

Since it is his first steroids offense, he should not be banned from the hall of fame. If the official baseball policy states that one offense only deserves a 10 game suspension, than so be it. If one is "banned for life", than you are banned from the hall of fame.

Pitchers who are thrown out of games for throwing spitballs aren't denied entry to the hall of fame.

At 9:26 AM, Blogger Sam said...

Jack, this isn't as cut-and-dry as you make it seem.

Hall voters have to analyze a player's entire record. Five hundred home runs, three thousand hits and, now, steroid use are all part of that record. Just because a first offense doesn't explicitly lead to a lifetime ban or a denial of entry to the Hall doesn't mean that his sterioid use isn't part of the career that he has had. It certainly is.

By the way, spitball pitchers being admitted to the Hall of Fame is probably a mistake, but steroid users, in my mind, are guilty of a far more egregious crime. Steroids allow a player to stay in playing shape for six months - day in and day out. That isn't natural. People are supposed to get exhausted, their muscles worn and their bodies susceptible to injury. Licking your pitching hand before delivering a pitch doesn't guarantee that you'll blow the pitch by the batter and it certainly doesn't guarantee that you'll be healthy and feeling strong in your next start, and for a start three months down the line.

At 10:33 AM, Blogger Jack said...

If it guarantees 6 months of health, then why can't Ken Griffey stay healthy for that period of time? Roids also increase the risk of many injuries.


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